Sarah Brown chats to Ben Winston. Ben Winston is a television and film director and producer and Executive Producer of the Late Late Shown with James Corden. Ben and James created the famous 'Smithy' sketches that became a viral sensation for the UK Comic Relief Comedy telethon. Better Angels is a podcast rooted in activism but looks for lessons from a range of experiences, and this interview special explores the unique role of comedy in encouraging people to take action. The interview was initially set up with Ben Winston but was, happily, interrupted on the day by James Corden who shares his own thoughts about how the famous 'Smithy' sketches came about.